How interesting! It reminds me of Crassus’ awe at marching past the remains of long dead and forgotten cities. How little we understand of our species is wild!
I am no authority here and I don't know what the experts are looking for exactly in these dates. For instance, in the case of Eridu, settlement goes back to 5400 BCE but was it on a scale or at least large enough to be considered "a city"? If not, then at what point and through what markers do we label Eridu "a city" and not just a settlement (or village or ...)?
I was wondering about something similar. Jericho is also very old, but I'm not sure if it's being excluded from consideration because it didn't meet some size threshold.
The remains of a city has been discovered in India & they reckon it could have been inhabited 20k years ago - no weaponry found or any evidence of war. The important people were the women.
I'm 90 y.o. woman but I'm very happy to see and to read all these fantastic things in Digging Up The Past. Thank you very much for all the contributors and scholars vast works.
Well I’m not surprised that they found archeological evidence of large settlements in that region.
One of the best places to live during the last ice age, climate wise, would have been in the marshes among the bottom of the Black Sea. Before the Mediterranean breached the end of the Dardanelles, it would have been warm, with a steady food supply.
Once the Black Sea started to flood, people would have migrated up the river valleys.
Does anyone have any links to photos and better maps of the regions, or more articles about the digs? A quick search revealed precious little as Google is wont to do these days.
Euromaidan press is a propaganda outlet. Also “Ukrainian scientists in the 70s…” - it was known as Soviet Union then. Is this an attempt to rewrite history?
Human settlement at Erbil may be dated back to the 5th millennium BC. At the heart of the city is the ancient Citadel of Erbil and Mudhafaria Minaret. The earliest historical reference to the region dates to the Third Dynasty of Ur of Sumer, when King Shulgi mentioned the city of Urbilum. The city was later conquered by the Assyrians. In the 3rd millennium BC, Erbil was an independent power in its area. It was conquered for a time by the Gutians. Beginning in the late 2nd millennium BC, it came under Assyrian control.
How interesting! It reminds me of Crassus’ awe at marching past the remains of long dead and forgotten cities. How little we understand of our species is wild!
4000BC isn’t nearly as old as the oldest Mesopotamia cities… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eridu#:~:text=Eridu%20(Sumerian:%20%F0%92%89%A3%F0%92%86%A0%2C,in%20sight%20of%20one%20another.
I am no authority here and I don't know what the experts are looking for exactly in these dates. For instance, in the case of Eridu, settlement goes back to 5400 BCE but was it on a scale or at least large enough to be considered "a city"? If not, then at what point and through what markers do we label Eridu "a city" and not just a settlement (or village or ...)?
Define "the size" of a city.
I was wondering about something similar. Jericho is also very old, but I'm not sure if it's being excluded from consideration because it didn't meet some size threshold.
It was in The middle of the Atlantic and was called Groggle
Knowledge at plain sight might remain hidden for a time until the thirst for learning digs up the treasure of knowledge
Were there not cities in South America as old or older than that?
None that I am aware of but I am also not very familiar with the history of the New World.
None that I am aware of but I am also not very familiar with the history of the New World.
You.lost me at “This site in Ukraine dates back to 4000 BCE, making it the oldest urban settlement ever discovered.”
Anyone heard of Jericho?
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The remains of a city has been discovered in India & they reckon it could have been inhabited 20k years ago - no weaponry found or any evidence of war. The important people were the women.
You made this up.
I didn’t write the article.
I wasn’t talking to you
I'm 90 y.o. woman but I'm very happy to see and to read all these fantastic things in Digging Up The Past. Thank you very much for all the contributors and scholars vast works.
And thank you very much for the wonderful words!
Love your work.
https://open.substack.com/pub/scholarstudy
Thank you!
Well I’m not surprised that they found archeological evidence of large settlements in that region.
One of the best places to live during the last ice age, climate wise, would have been in the marshes among the bottom of the Black Sea. Before the Mediterranean breached the end of the Dardanelles, it would have been warm, with a steady food supply.
Once the Black Sea started to flood, people would have migrated up the river valleys.
Does anyone have any links to photos and better maps of the regions, or more articles about the digs? A quick search revealed precious little as Google is wont to do these days.
Euromaidan press is a propaganda outlet. Also “Ukrainian scientists in the 70s…” - it was known as Soviet Union then. Is this an attempt to rewrite history?
“…researchers unveiled structures beneath the earth’s surface, discovering Trypillia megasites that span over 100 hectares.”
Hectares? What’s that in square furlongs? How many football fields is that?
Human settlement at Erbil may be dated back to the 5th millennium BC. At the heart of the city is the ancient Citadel of Erbil and Mudhafaria Minaret. The earliest historical reference to the region dates to the Third Dynasty of Ur of Sumer, when King Shulgi mentioned the city of Urbilum. The city was later conquered by the Assyrians. In the 3rd millennium BC, Erbil was an independent power in its area. It was conquered for a time by the Gutians. Beginning in the late 2nd millennium BC, it came under Assyrian control.
What is this?
The oldest known city at the moment is Karahan Tepe in modern days Turkey.
It is older than 12000 years.
I thought Egypt and Sumeria were older...
Greetings friend, I’ve been on Substack for around 3 weeks now.
Your content is interesting Petros, and it appears on my feed often, so I thought you may like one of my articles.
This one is about Giants, and the evidence in early newspapers:
https://open.substack.com/pub/jordannuttall/p/giants-in-newspapers?r=4f55i2&utm_medium=ios