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Chris Batty's avatar

Excellent & well reasoned - and I agree with your statements. Even if "Hebrew" and broader group "Hyksos", spanning a loose stream of arrival over time, were not "one & same", they were certainly both "Levantine". Conventional historians converge and form a stoic common opinion sometimes with one base error assumption. **Maybe not all readers are aware of the Egyptian Pharoah "standard declaration" regarding 1. Rebuilding sites damaged (by some kind of foreign force) 2. Extending sacred sites better than any predecessor, and from Hatshepsut onwards, 3. Divine birth 4. Driving out Hyksos and rebuilding their desecration, when it is established that that the expulsion of these Eastern Delta dwellers had been completed before Hatsheput's reign: too much too often is incorrect by assigning a literal meaning to standard statements of Pharaohic legitimacy. **Overall, this site produces really excellent material - congratulations!

Ante Skrabalo's avatar

Seti and Ramesses II as Pharaohs of the Oppression and of Exodus is charming but increasingly certainly incorrect, and this has been evident for a while now. The correct Pharaohs are rather Thutmose III and Amenhotep II. (The only way out of that would be if the Nubian reference to "Shasu of Yahw_h" in an Amenhotep III inscription referred to the earlier Biblical tribe of Jethro rather than to the Hebrews.) What no one expected is that Amenhotep's preserved mummy would have one of the Biblical plagues literally etched upon the skin. It does. The chief argument in favor of Ramesses was that the Bible explicitly states that the Hebrews were forced to build a city called Ramesses, and this was taken to mean that they must have left later. However, almost uniquely in Ancient Egypt, it caj actually be shown that Ramesses I the dynasty founder was, just kike hus immediate predecessor Horemheb, an upjumped military commander who took his regnal name after the city of his birth: Ramesses. Now Hollywood may keep preferring Ramesses II for the Exodus since he is so famous and we cannot have the Bible refer to some semi-anonymous Pharaoh, now can we? Fear not - for Thutmose III was the only Pharaoh that could routinely out-badass even one Ramesses II. Egypt under him was at the very peak of prestige and territorial extent. This would also mean that Moses grew up in Hatshepsut's court and probably admired the famous Senenmut the vizier.

Regarding the Hyksos: you try your best to tell the most coherent story you can, but the Hyksos era is still a veritable minefield for making any definitive conclusions, since it underwent such a thorough damnatio memoriae that very little can confidently be told about anything. Even the sequence of Hyksos pharaohs is guesswork at best. Pretty much the only thing one can note with certainty is that the name of the obscure Hyksos Pharaoh Yakub-Har sure does sound a helluva lot like Jacob father of Joseph. But if so, then where are the rougly contemporary attestations of Joseph? Missing, more than a little bafflingly.

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